John E. Schneider - Revision history

Jim.lindstrom at 22:26, 23 April 2011

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	{{Infobox person		{{Infobox person
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	\| name = John E. ~~SChneider~~		\| name = John E. Schneider
	\| birth_date = c. 1869<ref>[http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=6061&iid=4383850_00595&fn=William&ln=Schneider&st=r&ssrc=&pid=111242970 1920 Federal Census]</ref>		\| birth_date = c. 1869<ref>[http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=6061&iid=4383850_00595&fn=William&ln=Schneider&st=r&ssrc=&pid=111242970 1920 Federal Census]</ref>
	\| birth_place = Cologne, Germany<ref>Email from [[Peggy Jeanette Schneider\|Peggy]] to [[James Brian Lindstrom]] on Nov 26, 2010</ref>		\| birth_place = Cologne, Germany<ref>Email from [[Peggy Jeanette Schneider\|Peggy]] to [[James Brian Lindstrom]] on Nov 26, 2010</ref>
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	\| resting_place =		\| resting_place =
	\| spouse =		\| spouse =
	\| children = [[William Antone Schneider]]		\| children = Katie Schneider (c. 1904)<br />[[William Antone Schneider]] (c. 1907)<br />John Schneider Jr. (c. 1909)<br />Ellen Schneider (c. 1912)<ref>[http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=6061&iid=4383850_00595&fn=William&ln=Schneider&st=r&ssrc=&pid=111242970 1920 Federal Census]</ref>
	\| parents =		\| parents =
	\| relatives =		\| relatives =
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	** Children: Katie (c. 1905), William (c. 1907), John Jr. (c. 1910), Ellen (c. 1912). All born in Texas		** Children: Katie (c. 1905), William (c. 1907), John Jr. (c. 1910), Ellen (c. 1912). All born in Texas

	* Also in the [http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1920usfedcen&indiv=try&h=49369674 1920 Federal Census] (2-3 weeks later on Feb 2, 1920) ~~the same father and children, but a wife/mother named Etta~~, ~~who is from Germany are living~~ in a different township in Oklahoma		* Also in the [http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1920usfedcen&indiv=try&h=49369674 1920 Federal Census] (2-3 weeks later on Feb 2, 1920), in a different township in Oklahoma
	** ~~Who are the moms/wives?~~ ~~Etta, Ellen, Jenny?~~		** Same father. In this census, John appears to be a laborer at a packing house (probably consistent with him having been a butcher before)
	** In this census, John appears to be a laborer at a packing house (probably consistent with him having been a butcher before)		** Same children
			** Wife/mother named Etta, from Germany

	== Notes ==		== Notes ==
	{{Reflist}}		{{Reflist}}

Jim.lindstrom at 22:13, 23 April 2011

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	* [http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&MSAV=0&msT=1&gss=angs-c&gsfn=john+e&gsln=schneider&mswpn__ftp=Cologne%2c+K%C3%B6ln%2c+Nordrhein-Westfalen%2c+Germany&mswpn=151863&mswpn_PInfo=8-\|1652381\|3253\|30337\|31844\|1518&msbdy=1880&msady=1900&uidh=uv6&mscng0=william+antone&mscns0=schneider&pcat=40&h=101599&recoff=9+10&db=bpl&indiv=1&qid=197c3baf64a54c3984c9b2ccf3945d8e Baltimore Passenger List]		* [http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&MSAV=0&msT=1&gss=angs-c&gsfn=john+e&gsln=schneider&mswpn__ftp=Cologne%2c+K%C3%B6ln%2c+Nordrhein-Westfalen%2c+Germany&mswpn=151863&mswpn_PInfo=8-\|1652381\|3253\|30337\|31844\|1518&msbdy=1880&msady=1900&uidh=uv6&mscng0=william+antone&mscns0=schneider&pcat=40&h=101599&recoff=9+10&db=bpl&indiv=1&qid=197c3baf64a54c3984c9b2ccf3945d8e Baltimore Passenger List]

			== Spouse(s) ==

			The three census records (1910, 1920, 1920) including John Schneider and the children each give a different name for his wife.

			The earliest (1910) record lists his wife as Ellen. In the "Texas Marriages, 1837-1973" records, there is a [https://familysearch.org/search/recordDetails/show?uri=https://api.familysearch.org/records/pal:/MM9.1.r/M65G-NKL/p4 record] of a marriage between John Schneider and Ellen King in Collin County Texas on March 12, 1902. This record is in the same county as the 1910 census, and is 2 years prior to the birth of John's oldest known child, Katie/Katy. That makes it highly likely that this is the same Ellen.

			The question is who the other two names (Jenny, Etta) refer to. All have different places of birth (and have parents with different places of birth), which suggests they are different women; however, the two 1920 census records are only 2-3 weeks apart and John is listed as married to the woman in each record. That would suggest the opposite--namely that Jenny and Etta are the same person.

	== Historical Records ==		== Historical Records ==

Jim.lindstrom at 19:17, 23 April 2011

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	\| image =		\| image =
	\| name = John E. SChneider		\| name = John E. SChneider
	\| birth_date = c. ~~1880~~		\| birth_date = c. 1869<ref>[http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=6061&iid=4383850_00595&fn=William&ln=Schneider&st=r&ssrc=&pid=111242970 1920 Federal Census]</ref>
	\| birth_place = Germany		\| birth_place = Cologne, Germany<ref>Email from [[Peggy Jeanette Schneider\|Peggy]] to [[James Brian Lindstrom]] on Nov 26, 2010</ref>
	\| death_date =		\| death_date =
	\| resting_place =		\| resting_place =
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			According to granddaughter [[Peggy Jeanette Schneider]], "My dad was William Antone Schneider, my paternal grandfather was John E. Schneider and was born in Cologne, Germany. Came to the US when he was about 16 and as far as I know they came thru Ellis Island."<ref>Email from [[Peggy Jeanette Schneider\|Peggy]] to [[James Brian Lindstrom]] on Nov 26, 2010</ref>
	According to ~~daughter~~ [[Peggy Jeanette Schneider]], "My dad was William Antone Schneider, my paternal grandfather was John E. Schneider and was born in Cologne, Germany . Came to the US when he was about 16 and as far as I know they came thru Ellis Island."<ref>Email from [[Peggy Jeanette Schneider\|Peggy]] to [[James Brian Lindstrom]] on Nov 26, 2010</ref>

	== Immigration ==		== Immigration ==

Jim.lindstrom at 19:16, 23 April 2011

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	\| name =		\| name = John E. SChneider
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According to daughter [[Peggy Jeanette Schneider]], "My dad was William Antone Schneider, my paternal grandfather was John E. Schneider and was born in Cologne, Germany . Came to the US when he was about 16 and as far as I know they came thru Ellis Island."<ref>Email from [[Peggy Jeanette Schneider|Peggy]] to [[James Brian Lindstrom]] on Nov 26, 2010</ref>

== Immigration ==

Possible match for John E Schneider, who came from Germany to the US at age 16:
* [http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&MSAV=0&msT=1&gss=angs-c&gsfn=john+e&gsln=schneider&mswpn__ftp=Cologne%2c+K%C3%B6ln%2c+Nordrhein-Westfalen%2c+Germany&mswpn=151863&mswpn_PInfo=8-|1652381|3253|30337|31844|1518&msbdy=1880&msady=1900&uidh=uv6&mscng0=william+antone&mscns0=schneider&pcat=40&h=101599&recoff=9+10&db=bpl&indiv=1&qid=197c3baf64a54c3984c9b2ccf3945d8e Baltimore Passenger List]

== Historical Records ==

* The [http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&gsfn=William+Antone&gsln=schneider&rg_81004011__date=1907&rs_81004011__date=2&gsbco=2,USA&gsbpl=46,Texas&gsbst=&gsbCounty=&gsbCity=&gsbTown=&_82004013=&_82004014=&_82004015=&rg_81004021__date=&rs_81004021__date=0&gsmco=1,All+Countries&gsmpl=1,+&gsmst=&gsmCounty=&gsmCity=&gsmTown=&_82004023=&_82004024=&_82004025=&rg_81004031__date=&rs_81004031__date=0&gsdco=1,All+Countries&gsdpl=1,+&gsdst=&gsdCounty=&gsdCity=&gsdTown=&_82004033=&_82004034=&_82004035=&gs1co=2,USA&gs1pl=46,Texas&gs1st=&gs1County=&gs1City=&gs1Town=&gskw=&_8000C002=john&_8000C003=schneider&_80008002=&_80008003=&_80018002=ethel+nora&_80018003=henry&sbo=0&sbor=&prox=1&UseAdvRQuery=1&AdvSrch=1&ti=0&ti.si=0&gss=angs-g&pcat=ROOT_CATEGORY&h=136689544&recoff=7+8+49&db=1910USCenIndex&indiv=1&hovR=1 1910 Federal Census] shows the family in Collin County, Texas:
** Father: John (c. 1869) in Germany, both parents born in Germany, immigrated in 1887
** Mother: Ellen (c. 1880), in Arkansas, both parents born in Tennessee
** Children: Katy (c. 1904), William (c. 1907), John Jr. (c. 1909)

* In the [http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=6061&iid=4383850_00595&fn=William&ln=Schneider&st=r&ssrc=&pid=111242970 1920 Federal Census] (Jan 13-14, 1920), William is in Greeley County, Oklahoma, as part of this household:
** Father: John Schneider, born c. 1869 in Germany, both parents born in Germany, immigrated 1881, naturalized in 1885. He is listed as a butcher.
** Mother: Jenny Schneider, born c. 1870 in Alabama, father born in Alabama, mother born in Tennessee
** Children: Katie (c. 1905), William (c. 1907), John Jr. (c. 1910), Ellen (c. 1912). All born in Texas

* Also in the [http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=1920usfedcen&indiv=try&h=49369674 1920 Federal Census] (2-3 weeks later on Feb 2, 1920) the same father and children, but a wife/mother named Etta, who is from Germany are living in a different township in Oklahoma
** Who are the moms/wives? Etta, Ellen, Jenny?
** In this census, John appears to be a laborer at a packing house (probably consistent with him having been a butcher before)

== Notes ==
{{Reflist}}